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The Film Talk: The Best Film Ever Made

  • Christian · 9 months ago
    I must have had an inate sense of good films when I was much younger because I absolutely loved Citizen Kane as a kid. Somewhere in college I learned it is actually considered one of the greatest. I'm not sure why... maybe it's because it's the story of a misunderstood man determined and driven to be successful despite the prevailing winds, extremely private despite focusing the great lens on other people's lives, and seemingly driven by memories of the mundane. An excellent movie for those building their own xanadua as a monumental "fuck you" to inconspicuous consumption and common sense.
  • Christian · 9 months ago
    Leolo, that's another one (foreign film) that stirs some deep part of me to have watched it about 20 times in my early 20s. That and Orlando, an awesome story whose main character spans centuries...
  • Phil · 9 months ago
    The American Film Institute has no problem telling you which film is the greatest.

    I think I agree with you in that it is impossible to quantify. I'm not sure I could even put together a top 5 without changing the list 20 times.

    Though, perhaps if you were on peyote while high in the NM hills, you might have been able to come up with the greatest film ever....
  • Dale · 9 months ago
    It is an annoying question, but one that crops up in all areas -- sooner or later, we simply must name The Best Novel or The Best Philosopher or The Best Poet or The Best Quarterback or The Best Album of the Rock Era, or face the terrible prospect that ... um, I don't know. The urgency of the question never seems to add up to anything. We seem to be breeding in large numbers without any going consensus on these questions or the thousand variations of them.

    So with that said, the best film ever made is, without question, L'Avventura. No, make that La Dolce Vita. No, it's definitely Winter Light. No, on fourth thought, surely every reasonable person agrees it is The Proposition. Magnolia? Branagh's Hamlet (how could any mere film ever hope to top a complete, professional production of Hamlet????) Groundhog Day? Citizen Kane? The Godfather? The Godfather II? Casablanca? Dr. Strangelove?

    It's a hopeless question. The above are some -- some -- of the films I think of when I face a question like this. I'm perfectly willing to add to this list, but taking anything off would be about as welcome as sawing off a finger.
  • Phil · 9 months ago
    To Kill A Mockingbird
    Jesus
    Walt Whitman
    Joe Montana
    Van Halen I
  • Eric · 9 months ago
    The Sound and the Fury
    Jesus
    Bob Dylan
    Dan Marino
    The Velvet Underground & Nico
  • StanleyRumm · 9 months ago
    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang -for reasons given earlier. ..OK, for *these* reasons http://www.stanleyrumm.com/?p=8 (just in case anyone is interested)

    The criteria being lots to think about as you watch it over & over _and_ be entertained at the same time.

    A close 2nd would be anything by Stanley Kubrick, but if I had to pick one it'd probably be Barry Lyndon.

    Happiness by Todd Solondz would be in the running too. I think it's too long, but I'd never want to cut anything out of it.
  • Joe · 9 months ago
    My nomination may vary. The more classics I watch (on first viewing), the more it changes. One day, it's The Wicker Man (the original of course), the next it may be The Elephant Man. Citizen Kane would be an answer to fall back on. My initial reaction to The Nightmare Before Christmas was that it was the Best Animated Film I had ever seen. I've seen The Exorcist (Kermode's obessessive fav.) twice now and I've seen more how it's pretty special.

    But years ago when I was young and uncritical, my favourite would've been Muppet Treasure Island, Star Wars (generic), then The Phantom Menace. Then I saw Return of the King and thought "George Lucas, eat yer heart out!"
  • Jett Loe · 9 months ago
    hmmm....could nto help but notice that the phrase: 'the best film ever made' is repeated every week by yours truly during the TFT title sequence...i wonder if there's some sort of 'Derren Brown' NLP thing going on here! ;)
  • Joe Nolan · 9 months ago
    This is a great list G, and I am especially intrigued to hear more about your thoughts on Magnolia - a contemporary classic for sure. On my own blog I tried to address "best of" notions years ago: songs, books, movies. I came to similar conclusions: you can't name the "best", but you can name the ones that have meant the most to you.

    Ultimately, I surprised myself to realize that my favorite film of all time was "It's a Wonderful Life".

    I haven't changed my mind about that one yet. :)
  • Jett Loe · 9 months ago
    'Magnolia' might be a pic that Gareth and I do as a retrospective 'cast -we've never really discussed the film on the show.
  • kiley · 9 months ago
    i won't say 'Best' but definitely ONE of the best films ever made was Fritz Lang's 'M'....you watch it and think, 'this was not made in 1931, there's no way!" It's sooo ahead of it's time in themes and in lighting and in camera angles - really, it, for me, comes extremely close to perfection...
  • Dale · 9 months ago
    I'll second Kiley's comment on M, although I would transfer them to 1927's Metropolis. The visual effects surpass a great deal of what we see today with gigantic budgets, and it's an interesting spectacle (not just a cool-looking one).

    I do want to see M.
  • Jett Loe · 9 months ago
    'M' is fabulous - though am partial to 'The Testament of Dr. Mabuse', (which is a semi-sequel sorta as it features the same detective); re: Kiley's comment about being ahead of its time, 'Testament' feels like it was made in 2020!
  • kiley · 9 months ago
    fixin' to settle in and give it a watch! :D
  • Jett Loe · 8 months ago
    am glad that we're making a difference! now if I can just get more people to watch Andrey Rublyov!
  • streetpete · 9 months ago
    I try extremely hard not to ponder this question too often; I agree that it is an impossibility, without subjecting the films I love to some rigorous philosophical theory. Perhaps I could turn to the "quality" argument in 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', but I do not want brain-freeze when watching a film - the ice cream does a great job at that!
    When I was in university, a friend and I would discuss the concept of a 'pure' film; neither of us could qualify this objectively, but we instantly agreed on the film which met our idea of 'purity', without question,Terence Malik's Badlands. This is by no means my favourite film, but there is a sterility in Malik's films which transcends subjectivity.
    Raising this question, you have me typing complete crap; I apologise! Let's move on...
    I agree with a number of your selections and, even if I didn't, I would never criticise unless I was playing devil's advocate - sadly a part I play a great deal these days.
    Placing my hand on my heart, and attempting to end this tautological nightmare as speedily as possible, the films of Emeric Pressburger and Michael Powell (the Archers) are my first and will be my last loves - they are my panacea for every ill that life throws at me. I will not patronise you or your astute followers by entering into a discussion about their long list of films; there are many reasons why I love 'A Matter of Life and Death', 'A Canterbury Tale', 'I Know Where I'm Going', 'The Red Shoes', 'The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp' and that should suffice...
  • Jett Loe · 9 months ago
    'The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp' - saw it not to long ago and realised this it what have been like to see 'Citizen Kane' for the first time.
  • streetpete · 9 months ago
    Without a doubt...Great films blow you away when you first watch them, on whatever format, and continue to warm your heart and mind with each and every subsequent viewing.
  • StanleyRumm · 9 months ago
    I agree with you there. The Red Shoes especially is one of my favourites. It makes me even contemplate maybe possibly someday going to a ballet. Possibly. Maybe.
    And it features the great Robert Helpman, who played The Childcatcher in a movie I may have mentioned before. You can easily spot his ballet moves in that role too.

    But besides the beauty of The Red Shoes and the before-its-time daring style, its a great look at "Art" itself and how it is created and performed and the work that goes into a collaborative artistic presentation.

    One time a few years back I found myself watching King of Comedy directly after The Red Shoes and now I can't watch one without the other. KoC is like a view of the artworld from the outside-looking-in. Red Shoes is totally inside.
    There aren't too many outward similarities, but it was only later that I discovered Scorsese's love of The Red Shoes. I wonder if he consciously viewed KoC as a kind of antithesis/ complementary piece to The Red Shoes. (?)

    That "fencing scene" in Colonel Blimp is magical. And they don't even show it !

    I'll have to get Canterbury Tale now because I don't think I've seen it before. Looking forward to it. :)
  • streetpete · 9 months ago
    Beautiful comments! You will probably find that there are great similiarities between Scorcese films and Powell/Pressburger as Scorcese's editor of choice is Thelma Schoonmaker who was married to Michael Powell.
    A Canterbury Tale is simply exquisite, if something exquisite can be simple. Classic voiceover at the start - a reading from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales leads into the WW2 setting of the film; The beautiful shot of the diving falcon becoming a spitfire... I could go on, but I will let you enjoy it on your own terms.
  • Jett Loe · 8 months ago
    Thanks for reminding me about 'A Canterbury Tale' - just added to my queue!
  • Jama · 8 months ago
    Divine Comedy
    Gautama Buddha
    Ezra Pound
    John Elway
    AC/DC Back in Black
    Andrey Rublyov is probably the most amazing film I have ever seen, but I will NEVER watch it again. It's burned into my brain forever. Curse you, Jett!
  • twihard4ever · 3 months ago
    twilight
  • Jett Loe · 3 months ago
    'twihard4ever' is now my favourite user name = either that or the new Bruce Willis movie.